so i think in our world in southern california we're going to be in pretty good shape. but uncertainty is never good. i don't think there should be an option. >> mr. caruso, yesterday craig barrett, former ceo of intel, described california where you live and do a lot of business as america's version of greece because of the level of public expenditure and so forth. do you see it that way? >> no, i don't see it that way. listen, california has its issues. locally we have our issues. there are income issues, there are increased taxes that i wouldn't necessarily want to have happen in the state, which did happen. but we have to address those. i think we've got positive momentum. i know we have positive momentum. so are we perfect? no. but california is growing at a much faster pace and a better pace than most of the united states. so i don't equate it to greece at all. >> mr. caruso, thank you for being with us and a happy thanksgiving to you. >> thanks you. >>> he's a billionaire, right? i wish he were related. >>> all right, next, making cardboard profitable and interes